[Bears]: City Council fourth regular meeting February 25 2025 is called order Mr. please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: Vice President Collins. That's a little sorrow. That's a Leming browser. That's a scrupley counter saying, President, President, please rise to the flag.
[Bears]: Announcements, accolades, remembrances, reports and records 25033 offered by President Bears, be it resolved by the Medford City Council that we send our deepest condolences to the family, friends and loved ones of Ruth Youngblood. She was a fixture in the West Medford neighborhood and West Medford Community Center, and her vibrant presence will be missed by so many people in our Medford community. I put this resolution forward, I first met Ruth early on in my first campaign for running for city council. And we had a lot of great conversations. And I also was able to buy a lot of wonderful cards from her over the years and I still have a few left that are going to have a little bit of extra memory as I send them out that I'm going to probably hold them a little closer and think of a special occasion to send them out before I do. So, with that I will go to Councilor Tseng, Councilor Scarpelli, Councilor Collins, Councilor Tseng.
[Tseng]: Thank you. The cards are something that I will cherish a lot. Especially now going forward, there was a good few years where the only cards I really bought were Roots cards. because they meant something more than a store-bought card. I would see Ruth at West Bedford Community Center events, at artist fairs, and she was such a reliable, dependable presence at those places, and a really reliable, smiley face who I could talk to about issues that maybe I didn't understand because of my life experience. We grew up in very different places. We talk about how West Medford has changed, how the community has changed, what makes the West Medford Community Center community stick together so close, what's ticking there. And I've just learned so much from Ruth. And every time I would look at the cards as they sent them out, And, you know, I would get reminded, you know, of the fact that I'm supporting a friend and supporting a local business, a local artist here in Medford too. And that's why for me, over those years, those were the cards I bought and those were the cards I really cherish. is such a core presence in the West Medford community. And when she passed, so many people talked to me about the experiences, the really happy experiences that they had with her. And I'm very grateful for you, President Bears, for putting this on the agenda and for giving us a chance to talk about our happy memories of her.
[Bears]: Thank you, Councilor Scarpelli.
[Scarpelli]: Thank you Councilor Bears. Again, great words from Councilor Tseng. I think that Ruthie was what Medford was all about. Her heart is open to everybody. She was so sweet. And when it came to election time, if you ever drove by Ruthie's home, she had everyone sign. I don't think she could ever say no to anyone. And her allegiance was to anybody that ran for office here in Medford. So I think that You know, she told you like it was, there were times that she's pulled me aside and then brought me over to her Cod table at some fairs. And we negotiated some issues in the community, but she's definitely someone this community will miss. Her family is a very strong family in Medford that have faith and love of the city. So we send out our deepest condolences. She will definitely be missed. Thank you, Mr. President.
[Bears]: Thank you. Councilor Collins.
[Collins]: Thank you for putting this forward. I want to send deepest sympathies to Ruth's family. I feel very lucky to have gotten to meet her several times over the years. Absolutely. Always a constant fixture at West Bedford Open Studios and other art events around the city. always nice as you know, somebody who always goes to that events always able to count on seeing Ruth and saying hello and checking with her and seeing a smile and saying what she had made recently. I know she meant a lot to the artist community in Medford. I know she just meant a lot to everybody who knew her. She was a really sweet person. I feel very lucky to have gotten to meet her. And again, you know, our deepest consolances to the family.
[Bears]: Thank you. On the motion of Councilor Tseng, seconded by Councilor Scarpelli. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan. Vice President Collins. Councilor Lazzaro. Councilor Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli. Yes. Councilor Tseng. Yes. President Bears.
[Bears]: Yes. Seven affirmative, none negative, the motion passes. Is there a motion to join papers 25034, Oh three four and oh three five by Councilor Scarpelli seconded by Councilor Tseng, Mr. Please call Council Callahan.
[Hurtubise]: Vice President Collins. Councilors are Council Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli, Councilor Tseng, President Bears.
[Bears]: Yes, 70 affirmative, none negative, the motion passes. I'll read them both and then I will go to Councilor Scarpelli. 25034 offered by President Bears, be it resolved by the Medford City Council that we send our deepest condolences to the family, friends, and loved ones of Robert Emmett Skerry Jr. He'll be remembered for his long service as a member of the Medford School Committee and his dedication to the students of the Medford Public Schools. And we have 25035, whereas the Medford City Council mourns the passing of Robert Emmett Bob Skerry Jr., a lifelong resident of Medford, Massachusetts, who passed away peacefully on February 13th, 2025, at the age of 74, following a courageous two-year battle with cancer. And whereas Bob Skerry was a proud graduate of Medford High School, class of 1968, and furthered his education at UMass Boston, formerly Boston State College, earning a degree in political science and English, He continued his academic pursuits at Harvard University Graduate School of Education, obtaining a certificate in School and Community Relationships, reflecting his lifelong commitment to learning and public service. And whereas Bob served honorably as a member of the 101st Engineers Battalion and the Massachusetts National Guard, demonstrating his dedication to both the Commonwealth and the nation. And whereas Bob dedicated his career to education and public service, working as a teacher in Everett and Medford public school systems, where he taught civics, social studies, and English, and coached varsity soccer. He furthered his impact on the community through over four decades of service in the city government, particularly as a dedicated member of the Medford School Committee and an active participant in the Medford Chamber of Commerce, and whereas in his professional career Bob served as a senior investigator with the Bureau of Special Investigations for the Office of the State Auditor for over 35 years, upholding the values of accountability and integrity in public service. And whereas Bob was a devoted friend, neighbor, and mentor who touched the lives of many through his generosity, wisdom, and kindness, he was deeply committed to his beloved friend and partner, Maria C. DeMarco, and shared a special bond with her daughter, Margaret Meg DeMarco, her wife Claire, and their children Avery, Emerson, and Sloan, whom he cared for as if they were his own grandchildren. He's also beloved brother, uncle and cousin cherishing his relationships with his family, and whereas Bob scary was a passionate supporter of his community, often lending a helping hand to neighbors advocating for local causes and celebrating Menford spirit he was an ardent fan of the Boston Red Sox BC Eagles and Notre Dame fighting Irish His love for Medford, his faith, and his country remain steadfast throughout his life, and whereas Bob's legacy of service and kindness and unwavering dedication to the City of Medford will be felt for generations to come, and he'll be deeply missed by all who had the privilege of knowing him, now therefore be it resolved that the Medford City Council hereby honors the life and legacy of Robert Emmett Bob Skerry Jr., and expresses its deepest condolences to his family and loved ones, and recognizes his extraordinary contributions to the City of Medford, And be it for the resolve of the Medford City Council dedicates this meeting in his honor, Councilor Scarpelli.
[Scarpelli]: I'm sorry for the long solution but I think that that's minimal what Bob scary deserves. Bob was very special. I think that he was a true passionate lover of the city of Medford and its people. Whenever anybody needed anything, Bob Skerry was there. Whether it was his time on the school committee or if somebody was having an issue as a senior citizen and they were having an issue at the state house, Bob would find a way to make it his mission to support uh, anyone that crosses path. Um, I was very fortunate that I served in the school committee with Bob scary. And I still remember my first day and, um, being elected and Bob came to the house and, um, with the cigar in his hand and pulled me aside and said, all right, son, this is how it goes. And this is what you'll do and make sure that you have respect for this position because it deserves that respect. everything from the clothes that I was supposed to wear to the way I address constituents and the way that we respected our office. Bob was truly a man that always gave back to Medford. And when we heard, when Bob came up and whispered in my ear and said, it's got me, buddy. And he talked about the cancer and He fought and I know that he had a tough last couple of weeks, but he's in a better place today and Bob's family will miss him. The city of Medford will miss him and I'll miss him. So may he rest in peace and condolences to his family. Thank you, Mr. President.
[Bears]: Thank you.
[Tseng]: Go to Councilor Tseng. I really can't speak to Bob even, you know, Yeah, I can't, I really can't speak to Bob in such a, you know, great way that Councilor Scarpelli did in his resolution because I think There's such a life that was lived and such a dedication to his community that we really ought to respect. I can, however, speak to my short experience with Bob on the school committee, and I think that's a testament to how long he served our city. I never intersected with Georgia on the school committee, but I did intersect with Bob. And as a student rep for the school committee, he was always really a great guide in showing me the ropes, showing me the ropes of how things worked on the school committee and what questions we should be asking of our leaders in the city. And through that work, I really got to see how dedicated he was to our city as well. So I wanted to send my condolences to his family as well, and to remember Bob for the great work that he did in Medford.
[Bears]: Thank you, Councilor Tseng. On the motion of Councilor Scarpelli, I'll go to Vice President Collins. On the motion of Councilor Scarpelli, seconded by Councilor Tseng, we'll go to public participation. Name and address for the record, please. You have three minutes.
[Castagnetti]: Good evening. Andrew Castagnetti, Cushing Street, East Method Mass. I first met Bob Scarri at the brand spanking new grand opening at the Medford Public Library in 1960. He's a man of great character. We love the United States of America, and we love our city, Medford, Massachusetts. And I want to say God bless all, including the other 1968 graduates of Medford High School. Please hear my prayer. Almighty God, creator of heaven, earth, all sentient beings, and more, please get me and all of us to be and do the best that we can, now, always, forever, and ever, in our quest for eternal, blissful peace. Thank you.
[Bears]: Thank you. Before we take the vote, if we could, well, let's take the vote and then we'll take a moment of silence for everybody. So if we could call the roll on the motion of Councilor Scarpelli, seconded by Councilor Tseng.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan, Vice President Collins, Councilor Lazzaro, Councilor Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli. Yes. Councilor Tseng. Yes. President Bears.
[Bears]: Yes. Seventy affirmative, negative, the motion passes. If everyone could please rise for a moment of silence. Records the records of the meeting of February 11, 2025 or past Council is our Council is our Oh, how did you find those records. I found them in order and emotion to approve the motion of Councilors are to approve the record seconded by Councilor Callahan was called the role.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan. Vice President Collins Council is our Council let me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli, Councilor Tseng, President Bears.
[Bears]: Yes, I have an affirmative, none the negative, the motion passes. Reports of committees 24-033, Vice President Collins, Planning and Permitting Committee, February 12, 2025. Vice President Collins.
[Collins]: Thank you, President Bears. This was our third meeting with the zoning consultant on the topic of the neighborhood and urban residential zoning proposal specifically. The fourth one is tomorrow at 6pm. We hope that residents will continue to join in this process. Motion for approval.
[Bears]: On the motion of Vice President Collins, seconded by Seconded by Councilor Scarpelli. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan. Vice President Collins, Councilor Lazzaro, Councilor Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli, Councilor Tseng, President Bears.
[Bears]: Yes, I have an affirmative and a negative. The motion passes 24-468 offered by Councilor Tseng, Governance Committee, February 19th, 2025. Report to follow, Councilor Tseng.
[Tseng]: Thank you. In this governance committee meeting, we met to discuss in detail the rest of the Charter Study Committee's recommendations as sent to us by the mayor's office that mostly included school committee stuff and some elections, citizen participation mechanisms as well. We voted out amended draft of the Charter Study Committee's recommendations to the committee the whole meeting.
[Bears]: and that committee of the whole is next Tuesday at 6pm. On the motion of Councilor Tseng to approve seconded by seconded by Councilor Lazzaro. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan, Vice President Collins, Councilor Lazzaro, Councilor Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli, Councilor Tseng, President Bears.
[Bears]: Yes, I have the affirmative. None of the negative motion passes. This should be in petitions presentations similar papers, my apologies I didn't catch that. But this is 25032 proposed amendments to the Medford zoning ordinance 10 and 20 Revere Beach Parkway for referral to the Community Development Board. This is from the petitioner at 10 and 20 Revere Beach Parkway, we have Valerie Moore. from Dr. MacLennan and Fish on behalf of the petitioner. I'm just going to summarize it and say that they are representing Transom Real Estate, the applicant looking to have an amendment to the text of the Wellington Station Multifamily Overlay District, WSMOD. and they have proposed a redline amendment. This is the property consists of two parcels which are currently owned by Houlihan Properties and 10 Revere Beach Parkway LLC petitioners, both of which consent to the petition. Essentially the three clarifications that are being requested First, the table of dimensional standards establishes a maximum front yard setback of 15 feet. The petitioners property as well as others on the fells winter rear beach parkway is subject to a perpetual deed restriction held by the Massachusetts Department of Conservation and Recreation that requires a minimum setback of 20 feet. So they're requesting that that be clarified a footnote that if there's a property subject to a public agency. restriction that the maximum setbacks would coincide with that restriction. Second, there's a development incentive bonuses. It currently reads a certified LEED Gold or LEED Platinum. The petitioners are proposing a modification from certified to certifiable because the LEED certification can't happen until the building is constructed. And the third is definitions section clarifying the definition of building coverage to make clear it does not include building overhangs. They're arguing that the current definition is ambiguous on this point. Right now, the only thing before us is to refer this to community development board as it's a zoning amendment. I will say I've spoken to the planning department staff on the first two of these items and those are changes that we were planning to make as part of the zoning updates project anyway. So I can't speak to the third change, although it seems to me on its face reasonable. So tonight we would refer this to Community Development Board, and then they would refer it back to us with any recommendations and conditions. And with that, I'll recognize Vice President Collins.
[Collins]: Thank you, President Bears, for the overview. I would motion to refer to the Community Development Board.
[Bears]: Great, and I do wanna offer, we'll go to Councilor Scarpelli, and then I do wanna offer the petitioner a chance to take a look before we move forward. Councilor Scarpelli.
[Scarpelli]: Okay, thank you. I know that this is something that first I've seen of it, so 10 to 20 Red Beach Parkway. What are the abutters? Have the abutters been notified? Are there abutters next, residents next to this? Because I think that before we move this forward, were the neighbors informed and how do they feel about the situation?
[Bears]: Yeah, so procedurally, what would happen is we receive it, we refer it to Community Development Board, which we're obligated to do, and then they'll schedule the public hearings of the CD board and work with the clerk to schedule a public hearing for us. Butters will be notified of the public hearings, and then the public hearings will go forward.
[Scarpelli]: Thank you for the clarification, Mr. President.
[Bears]: You got it. Do we have a representative of the petitioner? Great. Just want to give you guys a chance to speak to the petition.
[Brian Lee]: Hi, my name is Brian Lee with Transom Real Estate. I'm a partner there. Thank you for the time tonight. I won't take up too much of your time. I know it's late. I just wanted to take a moment to introduce ourselves. We're a local developer, a very small firm. We are six people located in the south end of Boston. We focus on really important sites in what we consider to be really great cities. And this is one of those. As you mentioned, we're focusing on 10 and 20 Revere Beach Parkway, which, as you all know, is really the Cappies and Monroe Auto site. There will certainly be a lot of discussions around our plans, but we're really here tonight in a very preliminary fashion to just discuss the zoning. One thing about Transom, despite being very local, we care a lot about design and we care a lot about the neighborhoods in which we build. And so I think if you look at some of the history of our buildings in the past, we're really proud of how we contribute to the neighborhood and how we really involve the neighborhoods feedback into the design process. As I said, I won't take up too much of your time. I just wanted to introduce transom. Our permitting attorney, Valerie Moore is here and she's much more capable to discuss the zoning issues than I am. Thank you very much.
[Bears]: And thank you. If you'd like to Councilor, if you'd like to share anything you're on. Yes, you are. The red is good in this case.
[Valerie Moore]: Thank you, President Bears. You summarized the three specific changes that we're looking for better than I could, so I'll speak to process and then answer any questions that you might have. So these are just minor changes proposed to the Wellington Station Multi-Family Overlay District. You're not approving a project as part of this. Once those changes are approved, then we would be able to actually submit for our site plan review. That's when the public hearings on the project itself would be before the Community Development Board. So this is really a very preliminary step that would enable really full public review of the actual project that we intend to propose.
[Bears]: Great. That was going to be my question or clarification, just to elucidate the process. Even if this zoning amendment moves through all the phases and is adopted, then you would have your project proposal, which would go through site plan review for the specific project with all the studies and the comment and the process at that point. That's great. Can you tell that we've been doing a zoning update for the past 18 months? And honestly, it feels like for me for the past like five years.
[Valerie Moore]: You're pretty savvy on it, I'm impressed.
[Bears]: I was like, oh, this again. But no, thank you for bringing this to us. I know we'll have another chance to talk to you during the public hearing if the Community Development Board sends this back to us. So thanks for being here.
[Valerie Moore]: Thank you so much.
[Bears]: On the motion of Vice President Collins, seconded by Council Lazzaro to refer this to the Community Development Board. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan. Vice President Collins. Councilor Lazzaro. Councilor Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli. Councilor Tseng, President Bears.
[Bears]: Yes, I have the affirmative, none of the negative, the motion passes. Thank you. All right, our next petition, petition for a CV license, common victims license, Kelly's roast beef. They were here last time. Do we have a representative this time? Yes, we do. All right. So I'll go to Councilor Scarpelli to talk about this petition.
[Scarpelli]: Thank you, Mr. President. I do see everything is in order. I think that there was one clarification. I think the clerk, just publicly, I know that the hours of operations, is that something we're changing now, Mr. Clerk? Or does the petition have to come back for those extended hours?
[Hurtubise]: To amend the hours of operation, they would have to come back. But it's not going to be through the special permit process.
[Scarpelli]: OK, so they do have to come back. So your hours are till 11 o'clock right now. OK, and then I know usually Kelly's was a great location for a little time after for people that work late, or Justin, who is at Harvard until 2 in the morning. Or when that Councilor Scarpella has a few items on the agenda. My wife won't allow me to go there anymore.
[Bears]: We can go.
[Scarpelli]: I was one of the last people with the punch card, the three-way punch card. You guys don't know that. I know. I see everything is in order, Mr. President. I know that already the feedback I've heard from people that super professional and that they're excited about this new venture with our new organization. And after my fellow colleagues have any comments, I would move approval.
[Bears]: Any other comments for anyone else? I guess, are you guys representing the new venture that has purchased Kelly's?
[Unidentified]: Yes.
[Bears]: Okay, great. Could you just go into like, are you guys still pretty local or?
[Lisa Whiteman]: Yes. So David Massey, the owner, um, of AM 15 management, he lives in Ipswich, Massachusetts recently, most, or most recently of Georgetown. So he has a local guy. Um, we're a real estate investment company. We have 11 hotels on the North shore or the Northeast, um, Turner Hill golf club up in Ipswich. And now we've gotten into the Kelly's segment. We have the four light. We call them the four legacy, the Medford Danvers, August and Revere. as well as we built Salem, New Hampshire, Detta, Massachusetts, and Worcester, Massachusetts, with the plans to continue to build, I think, what, five or 10 in the next five years down in Florida we're looking to go. So we are a local company and looking to add a little bit more dimension to the Kellys that everybody knows and loves.
[Bears]: And so you guys have already built and operated some, and now you've purchased the originals. Correct. Great. And do you think there might be a potential for an extended hours at some point?
[Jim Rataj]: I'm not sure. I don't think so. I don't believe so. I think it's a late-day thing. It's a thing of the past. That might have been a mistake on my part when putting the application together.
[Bears]: You can feel free to send back that some of us would like that. OK.
[Lisa Whiteman]: If there's a request for it, we'll definitely do it.
[Bears]: It didn't come from George. Oh, yeah. Can we have your names just for the record? Sure.
[Lisa Whiteman]: My name is Lisa Whiteman. I'm from Peabody, Massachusetts, and I'm Magnolia Way.
[Bears]: Great. And you can use the business address if you want.
[Lisa Whiteman]: It's out of Burlington, Massachusetts.
[Bears]: Great. All right. Well, thank you. We see everything in order and the motion of Councilor Scarpelli to approve, seconded by Councilor Tseng. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan. Vice President Collins. Councilor Lazzaro. Councilor Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli, Councilor Tseng, President Bears.
[Bears]: Yes. So the affirmative, the negative, the motion passes. Thank you. Thank you very much, everybody. Did we have King Boba last time? Okay. I, again, I apologize for that. So we'll just move beyond that. They've already been approved. For some reason, I got it in my head that we didn't have anyone here. All right, communications from the mayor. 25028, loan order, MWRA water bonds. Dear President Bears and members of the city council, I respectfully request and recommend that your honorable body approve the following loan order. City of Medford, loan order, MWRA water bonds, that $8 million is appropriated for the purpose of replacing lead service lines and galvanized requiring replacement and addressing service lines of unknown materials in various locations throughout the city. Eligible for financial assistance to the MWRA's lead replacement program including payment of any and all costs incidental and related thereto that to meet this appropriation, the treasurer with the approval of the mayor is authorized to borrow the set amount under and pursuant to chapter 44 section 7 and 8 of the general laws or pursuant to any other enabling authority and to issue bonds or notes of the city therefore that the treasurer with the approval of the mayor is authorized to borrow a portion, all or a portion of such amount from the MWRA pursuant to the MWRA's local water system assistance program and in connection therewith enter into a loan agreement and or financial assistance agreement with the MWRA and otherwise to contract with the MWRA with respect to such loan and for any grants or aid available for the project or the financing thereof. and that the mayor is authorized to accept and expend any grants or aid available for the project or for the financing thereof and provided that the amount of the authorized borrowing for the project shall be reduced by the amount of any such grants or aid received. I was really seeking a period there and it never came. So I'll just read the rest and further ordered that the treasurer is authorized to file an application with the appropriate officials under the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to qualify under Chapter 44A of the General Law as any and all bonds of the city authorized to be borrowed pursuant to this loan order and provide such information and execute such documents as such officials of the Commonwealth may require in connection therewith. Respectfully submitted, Mayor Breanna Lungo-Koehn. And we have here as well the loan order opinion, KP Law. In our opinion, the loan order It is in proper legal form. And I'm not going to read that whole letter. I'll go to you guys, Commissioner McGibbon, Engineer Wartoff.
[McGivern]: Thank you very much. Thank you for hearing us tonight. The information that you just provided does it, right? Yeah, I totally understood. I read. I understood what I was reading. All right, so as we've talked about before, we have a lot of work to do on our water system. A significant portion of that work is the lead service line removal. So what we're going to do here is I'm going to give a sort of a broad overview of the program and what we're going to do with this loan. And then Owen can dive into some nitty gritty information that we've been working with directly to try to get this program up and running. So this program is from the MWRA, it's a loan program that provides a 25% relief. So, like a grant so 25% of that would be a grant, if we use the money in a certain way that certain way is removing both sides of a lead line and not just the public side. We're basically going to be funding the full removal from the house all the way to the street. That's important because one of the things that the, the folks in the DEP and the EPA have discovered is that when you do half of a line, like has been pretty typical for many years now. It actually increases the risk of lead poisoning in the house. So it's frowned upon now. So we're trying not to do that anymore. We're transitioning to the recommended best practice. This is also what the EPA wants to happen within a certain amount of time. I'll get to that in a second. So with this loan, we would basically be providing a significant upgrade to our entire water system. The lead service lines or the service lines in general are a huge component of our system. You can just think every single building has a service line. So we have about 19,000 of them or so. The program would be a three-year program. It would include soft costs and hard costs. What I mean by that, it includes hiring an engineer to put together a bid package for a testing and a removal and replacement program, as well as a statistical analysis to get rid or shed our numbers down with what we have. Right now, we have a lot of unknowns. So if we do a statistical analysis, we should be able to reduce that number of unknowns. That's important. How many unknowns we have and how many lead lines we have dictates how fast we need to remove them. And also, that's the biggest thing, how fast we need to remove them. But it also dictates how many folks we need to notice every single year. If you're lucky enough to get a notice this year, you'll know what I'm talking about. A lot of people did. All right. So just to take one big step back, this all is a result of the lead and copper rule that the EPA has been instituting over a number of years. This is a revision to the lead and copper rule. And that revision includes the mandate to remove the lead lines fully, as well as to send a notice to everybody that may have one, either unknown or definitely lead. So that's something that we have to do now. The deadlines for this are pretty rigorous. We have a deadline that is 2032 to see if we can get everything, all the lead out of our system. So that's our target is 2032 to have a lead-free service line city. Now, the $8 million is probably not enough to get us there. So during year three of this three-year push, evaluating what we have left, and then figuring out how to fund what we have left. We have tried different ways to fund this. And this was kind of option C. Option A was a EPA grant for somewhere around $20 million that we did not get. And we'll see how federal grant opportunities come about in the future. But we do have state revolving fund and we have MWRA. So we're in good shape for the moment. So with that, I'll let Owen talk and go over a few things, and then we'll be available for questions.
[Wartella]: Just high level here is that we have about 14,500 service lines. About a third of them are classified as lead, about another third is classified as copper, and the other third is unknown. We have been working diligently over the winter to get this kind of working up and doing some investigative in the heights. And what we've found is that of the Non-lead, 100% of those are non-lead. Of the unknowns, about 90% are non-lead, 10% are lead. And of the lead, or that we have records of that are shade or lead, about 30% to 40% are lead, and the rest are copper. So we think these numbers will come down drastically. We don't anticipate having 5,000 plus lead lines to come out, but there is a lot of investigative that we need to do and it's going to take time to do it. But I'm here to answer any questions if you have it. Happy to.
[Bears]: Thank you. Just a quick question clarification. So we have what's on record and you're saying based on some early estimates, it feels like that, or some stuff that you've already looked at, the records are just not accurate.
[Wartella]: So there was a fire in the early 2000s in the water department, and we lost a lot of the records. So anything that is unknown, we have to classify as lead. We've been working over the winter to bring that number down. We've gone through about 500 of new records visualizations going to looking at meters and going through our records and being able to eliminate a lot of those just with that.
[McGivern]: But we have a meter program happening right now. So if you swap so that gives us information on the inside. So that's new information. Also new information is a test pit contract that we have out in the streets happening. So about 620 test bits, and that is data that Owen is referring to. So we're seeing these percentages come up, which is why we're going to try to remove many unknowns using statistical analysis. Because what this data is showing us is that our numbers, say 5,000 leds and 4,000 and change unknowns, okay, well, what is it really? So if we take a sampling of data throughout the whole city, we can use that sampling data to then do a statistical analysis to see what we really have. And DEP, it will, you can use those numbers to make our requirements less burdensome.
[Wartella]: And the NWRA really, really wants us to tackle this. They're really on board with us, you know, taking loans and and making this happen. And it's mostly because of all the communities put together, all the MWA communities put together, there are only 14,000 known lead lines. We have 5,000 of those just in this community. So they are really, really eager to help us in any way they can.
[Bears]: So we're their top priority.
[Wartella]: It's Boston and us. It's Boston and us. But Boston started a little couple years ago, so they've got a little bit of a head start, but we intend to catch up.
[Bears]: Just two more quick clarifications about one of my fellow colleagues. Some of the slow money would pay for the analysis? Yes. OK. And then the rest of it would go towards the removal and replacement.
[McGivern]: The bulk of it would go towards a contract for testing and removals. And soft costs, maybe 10% of it is going to go towards engineering and the like.
[Bears]: And the statistical analysis is in that 10%? Correct. Great. These loans will be repaid by the rate payers or the taxpayers?
[McGivern]: Correct. So about $6 million of this, if we use it the way that we just described, $6 million of it will have to be paid back over 10 years. It will be on the rate payers and 0%.
[Bears]: Through the Enterprise Fund only?
[McGivern]: Correct.
[Bears]: OK. So this is a bond for the Enterprise Fund.
[McGivern]: You got it. Great. It will be paid debt service to the Enterprise Fund.
[Bears]: Awesome. I will go to yes. Is this about what I just said? Okay, I'm gonna go to Councilor Scarpelli and then you, and then Councilor Callahan. Councilor Scarpelli.
[Scarpelli]: Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you to the both of you. I know that this is a daunting task. That's one thing we talked about earlier, how we have so many department heads doing so much with so little. So we really appreciate it. I know that, is this the same, Mr. Hotel, we talked about the federal program and we talked about the lead. Is this in the same vein with that funding or is it separate?
[Wartella]: That was the funding that we were going for that we did not receive.
[Scarpelli]: Oh, we didn't get it, okay.
[Wartella]: So we didn't receive funding that, technically it's still under review, but of all the communities that went for that grant, zero got it. So the MWRA is still like, they're looking for other ways as well.
[Scarpelli]: We appreciate that. Fred Lasky's, I'm sure his line is, hope that's that's copper so I know that again I think that the biggest thing again is when you talk about this I know we'll get phone calls from neighbors if they come and start doing this in the on the streets when it's time we'll have a plan in place with I know you've been super aggressive with the curb to curb or making sure that whatever we cut
[Wartella]: that the road is replaced at a reasonable, uh, you know, so with this, with this loan, we're going to focus on EJ communities first and try to target those areas. Okay, good. And that's where we're going to start. And then we're going to move out.
[Scarpelli]: Okay. So there'll be a plan. So people understand when it comes out to their end. Okay. So again, I thank you for all your hard work. This is something that we need and it's something, especially as you're hearing throughout the, you know, throughout the country, when you hear about lead, uh, you know, let in the water and people getting nervous. I think that it's a step in the right direction. So we appreciate that and how it works. Thank you.
[Bears]: Thank you. Just quick clarification. Did the denial start coming out?
[Wartella]: Not yet.
[Bears]: Okay.
[Wartella]: But for, there was an October we got in, we revamped again, resubmitted, and we have not yet heard back because there was an influx of applications that were received in the last month until they reviewed all of them.
[Bears]: Okay, got it. I'll go to Councilor Lazzaro, Councilor Callahan, Councilor Collins, Councilor Lazzaro.
[Lazzaro]: Thank you. Thank you for this information. I got one of the letters, but mine was unsure. We're unsure if you have led or not, but I want to clarify some stuff about this because It was a little, the letter is a little bit confusing. It's so, it's not paying to replace the lines. The homeowner replaces the service lines, right? And it's a loan to help pay for, isn't it a loan that has to be paid back or the city pays to replace the lines?
[McGivern]: So this loan, one of the requirements of the program is the city would have to remove both the private and public side if they're both led. And if only one is led, we replace the one that is led. So it's the cost burden is no longer on the homeowner.
[Lazzaro]: So it's a different thing.
[McGivern]: Correct. Our current program provides a $1,000 rebate to the homeowner.
[Lazzaro]: Yes.
[McGivern]: So we don't know exactly what we're going to do with that program at the moment. It will remain funded for the time being. But it will most likely be phased out once we reach a point where it's no longer useful.
[Lazzaro]: OK. I didn't understand this is a whole new program where you're paying for it. Oh, OK. And that's why it's expensive.
[Wartella]: Yes. Yeah. Great. The intent was always for us to do both sides. We never had the means or the avenue to do that. And this is the avenue to do that.
[Lazzaro]: Amazing. Great. That's wonderful. And I understand why then it makes so much sense to get all of the information about what is actually, what the service lines are made of. My son had elevated lead levels in his blood when he was a baby because of paint in our house when we had work done on our house that basically flaked into his crib when he was like an infant. It was ridiculous. There's lead everywhere. And it's all very dangerous, but it was just one incident and it never happened again. So I think that we probably, our water is probably okay, but all of these things are kind of so hard to figure out how to, you know, take care of your family to the best of your ability. But I'm really glad that we have an opportunity here to try to mitigate some of these things in Medford. I have a second question, which is, do you know if there, after the fire that destroyed all the records, if there's fireproof record-keeping, any changes made? Great, excellent. Love to hear it. Thank you very much for bringing this forward.
[McGivern]: Yes, I was wondering if I could just take the opportunity to say something. Sure. I just want to make it really clear that there's nothing wrong with people's water. Yeah, I think the conversation could turn alarming and it shouldn't be. The MWR does a great job treating the water. And even if you have a lead line, the risk is still low, you should run your water. in the morning if you know you have a lead line and do best practices like that. And the city does provide information on that. We have the information online. But this is in no way should spur any sort of alarming issues with folks. The lead line has been in the ground, servicing your house for quite a long time. We want to get it out.
[Bears]: Yes. And I'm guessing you would agree with the statement that The point of this is to avoid any potential future issue, not address a current issue of health or safety.
[McGivern]: Correct. It's basically we're increasing the water quality for the city of Medford. That's really what this does.
[Bears]: All right. I did have one clarifying question. If records were lost, I'm sure a lot of residents have had work done on their homes at some point. Is there a mechanism for them to communicate to you? Like if they got a letter to say, oh, we had a plumber in, we have a, you know, the plumber looked at the line. Is that useful information? Is that information you can even use or is it just kind of hearsay?
[Wartella]: We've, we've received those calls and that's what we've received since October, since we put the letters out and yeah, just call either a water quality hotline or, you know, and we'll take a look.
[Bears]: Great. All right. Councilor Callahan.
[Callahan]: Thank you. Thanks for all this work that you're doing. And I'm hoping, can you give us a little bit more of the big picture? Because I know that we have like 125 year old water lines throughout the city and it's hundreds of millions of dollars for us to replace them all. Can you fit this into the context of that? I know that this is a specific APA project that has a deadline, but give us a little bit of context in terms of how does it fit into our sort of longer term plans to replace these aging pipes?
[McGivern]: Yeah, I'd say it's a piece. I'd say it's a piece, but it's a very section of the piece. It's something that needs to be done. It's very quantifiable, much more than the rest of the water system. A lot of the water system, we find out when it's in bad shape, when it breaks. This one, we can kind of quantify it. We know what to expect. We know what, how to do it. So, you know, we've come up with estimates anywhere between 40 and $60 million worth of lead surface line removals in this city. Um, you know, that's what the numbers as they stand now. But, you know, as we've been saying, we believe those numbers in reality be lower. So it could be closer to 30 million. But it's definitely in the 10s of millions. And then as far as our entire water system and the needs of our water system, it's a separate need than, say, replacing old water mains that are breaking and leaking. It's very regulatory driven. If the EPA wasn't making us do this, I'm not sure how fast we would move. But for the water breaks, we're moving, you know, we need to move faster. So I wish that the EPA funded us to replace all the water pipes and we'd move pretty quickly. So anyway, so that answers the question.
[Callahan]: Is it safe to say that like, this is just the very end of like the sort of roots or tree branches or whatever you want to call it, of the water system. So at this point, because of the deadline and the funding, we're going to be working at the ends of the system. And that after that, when that deadline is no longer pressing, that we will move on to working to the rest of the aging water system.
[Wartella]: both. We're doing both at the same time. Now this loan is for the end, the service is only, but we are still moving forward with our water main replacement. We're trying to ramp that up as well. And whenever we do a water main project, we always replace the lead lines on these lines The targeting for water main replacement is more on a fire safety, pressure, head loss type of basis versus where the lead lines. We want to make sure that people have water when it's needed.
[McGivern]: The pressure is there. The volume is there. Those are the two big ones. Water quality is important too. When we replace an unlined cast iron pipe from 1905 to a ductile iron pipe that's lined, that's an increase in water quality as well. So I probably thought of a better answer to your question, though. We have to ramp up all of these things. One of the things we're trying to do to get a handle on it is we have one of our consultants working on, I've talked about this, a long-term rate plan with the CIP. They're wrapping that work up now. So basically it means taking our capital improvement program and then saying, okay, we think the rates for water need to grow at this rate in order to accommodate that capital program. And then we're also saying, well, what are we missing consultant, and they're telling us, well, you also have to do this, this, that, and that should be in your capital program, and this and should be doing this many miles, this many, you know, so That's coming, and actually I owe the Water Commission a meeting on this to see if we can make sure we have something lined up for this budget season. So that might provide a little bit more context to your question. It's a huge task to wrap our heads around, but That's what we're trying to do right now. It's something similar that we did with pavement a few years back, is to understand the problem first. So that's really where we're still at with water. But we know we have to do this, and it's very defined. Thank you so much.
[Bears]: Thanks. And just to, again, just for my brain to understand, The MWRA is giving out essentially a 25% discounted loan for this purpose because the regulations are so stringent around this specific issue. And that's what, like, if you could get this for mains, you would, but it's not offered because the regulations aren't requiring replacement of old mains in the same way.
[McGivern]: That's a good way to put it. I wouldn't say it's all the way correct. OK, great. But it's a good way to think about it. OK.
[Bears]: What would make it more correct?
[McGivern]: There is funding available for water mains. It's just not forgiven. So there's no 25% grant. So we've come before, let's see, I forget exactly when it was, but a year and a half plus. Last January. Last January. Here we go. We came before you guys for approval for a $3.5 million bond. that was going to be used to replace the Willis Ave water main, which is taking an old water main installed in 19-whatever to a new water main. So that was funded through MWA program. And then the State Revolving Fund also provides funding for that as well. The difference is that the regulatory pressure from the DEP and the EPA is what kind of sets us apart. Also, the other thing that sets us apart is that if we continue to do it the way we have been doing it, which is we do ours, you guys do yours, and we all walk away and it's done. That they're finding out that that makes it worse for the homeowner. So that's the other sort of circumstance here, which is why they're saying, okay, listen, we'll give you, if you take $8 million out, we'll give you $2 million of that.
[Bears]: Right. And, and the, and the bonds, the previous bond, it was zero interest, but there wasn't like 25% rebate or. Correct. Okay. Councilor Collins and Councilor
[Collins]: Thank you. Really appreciate the big picture, the granular information. Thank you for all this. Just want to go back to one clarifying question that I had from your presentation. And sorry, I'm sure that you made this very clear. I'm just trying to keep track of the numbers you mentioned. For example, there's a certain thousand number of lines that are classified as copper, for example, and you said of that number of lines, there's a percentage that we know to be, that gave me the impression that even the lines that already have a classification, we're going back and double checking. Is that the case?
[Wartella]: Where we're digging, yes. So when we dig down ones that are copper, are copper. We've never found one that is not copper.
[Collins]: OK, so it sounds like the trends are things that we think to be copper, broadly are copper. Things we think to be lead, broadly are lead. And then it sounded like, and correct me if I misheard you, that most of the unknowns are turning out not to be lead. OK, thank you. I just wanted to make sure.
[Bears]: And it also sounded like most of the lead, only 30% to 40% of the lead are actually lead. So most of the leads aren't lead.
[Wartella]: Right, you have to remember that our records date back to like, some of them date back to 1896. Like they were initially done and then anything that was redone and we didn't have, we lost those records. So we have the originals.
[Bears]: So you might have a record that says it was lead and then it was replaced, but that second record got burned in a fire. So you're calling it lead, but it actually got replaced.
[Callahan]: Correct.
[Bears]: All right. Councilor Callahan.
[Callahan]: Thanks, just one super quick question, and I think you already said it, but if you can repeat, when would this work be completed? Approximately, do we have any ideas?
[McGivern]: Yes, we do. So the program that we're introducing today is three years, so it'll last three years, approximately. But we have a deadline of 2032 to get our lead service lines out of the ground. That's a really aggressive deadline for this, which is why we're really hoping that those numbers that we just talked about, those two categories, lead and unknown, really hoping the trend continues that 30% of the lead are actually not lead.
[Callahan]: Can I ask a question? So I'm specifically thinking of some constituents who have reached out to me and like begged me for any sort of resources that they can do that they can possibly get for replacing their lines because they know they have lead in their water. Do you have any thoughts on should they just pay to do it themselves? If they replace their part, but then the other part isn't replaced, is that then possibly going to be worse? What should they do, given that they're concerned right now?
[McGivern]: Well, speaking as a resident and speaking as someone who also tested my children when they were very young, and they did have but in their system. And, you know, I have a water system at my house that filters it, everything. It's a reverse osmosis system. So that's probably the most cost effective way to do something on your own. But I would recommend that you, if you own a house and your house is worth six figures plus, you know, obviously most of them are around here, it's well worth your investment to spend the three or $4,000 it's going to be to replace, fully replace your lead service line with copper. well worth it, the incredible investment that you can make. Now, if you want to wait for the city to come to you and do your whole line, you certainly can do that, and many people will do that. But if you are a family with young children and our inventory says that you have a lead line in your house and you own your house, there are options available to you. The cheapest one, like I said, is some sort of reverse osmosis system for your house. Then there's, well, actually there's one thing cheaper than that, that's just best practices. When you wake up in the morning, run your faucet for a little while, go through your fixtures, make sure your fixtures don't have lead or old brass in them, things like that. So there are lots of very cheap things that you can do that are more best practices. Then there's filtering systems that you can get. And then obviously the standard, the gold standard is just replace the lime with copper.
[Callahan]: It's so incredibly helpful.
[McGivern]: Thank you. Yeah. And we offer $1,000 right now, and that program is active.
[Callahan]: Great.
[Bears]: And I think also just should be noted, just to reiterate your point, it's not always the line. It could be fixtures or something else in the house. Be systemic about it. We just saw at the middle schools, right? The lines are probably fine, but you had some fixtures with issues. Yeah. Usually is. OK. Great. Any further questions on this? We can motion to approve for first reading or we can motion to approve for third reading with if there's no objection. We can't do it with a loan or needs three. Okay. All right. So the motion would be to approve the first reading if there is one on the motion of councilor Callahan, seconded by councils are to approve for first reading. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: That's a call him. Vice President Collins. That's a little Zorro Council lemon.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli. Councilor Tseng, President Bears.
[Bears]: Yes, I think I'm going to have a motion passes. Thank you. 25.029 wage adjustment for the traffic supervisors union respectfully request and recommend approve the following amendments traffic supervisors effective July 1 2024.5% note that this union received 2% on 630 2024 July 1 2025 2% July 1 2026 2% July 1 2027 2% so is there a motion to or do we have any further discussion on yep Yes, this is the union contract agreed with the traffic supervisors.
[Scarpelli]: Possibly waive the three readings with this, because I think that the units that have been waiting a while, if we could move forward and waive the readings, I'd appreciate that.
[Bears]: A motion of Councilor Scarpelli to waive the three readings and approve for third reading, seconded by Councilor Collins. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan. Vice-President Collins. Councilor Lazzaro. Councilor Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli. Yes. Councilor Tseng. Yes. President Harris. Yes.
[Bears]: I have the affirmative, none of the negative. The motion passes. 25.03.0, Community Preservation Committee Appropriation Request. Cross-Street Cemetery Monument Restoration Phase One. On behalf of the CPC, I respectfully request and recommend your honorable body approve the following recommendation. requesting 5,000 from the CPA historic reserve to the cemetery trustees of the historical commission for phase one of the cross streets emissary monument restoration project respectively submitted Breanna Lungo-Koehn. We do have manager Dupont, vice chair Hayward. And I did just want to also note that there were some other funds going towards this project. We have a motion to approve by councilor Scarpelli, seconded by councilor Sang. It sounds like it's going through. Do you wanna raise your hands to say anything or are y'all good with that? I'm seeing shaking heads on the motion. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan. Vice President Collins. Councilor Lazzaro. Councilor Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli. Yes. Councilor Tseng. Yes. President Pierce. Yes.
[Bears]: I have affirmative and negative motion passes. Thanks you guys. 25 or three one submitted my brain occurred if we do this in one minute I would have bet with the clerk home real petition institutional master plans I respect the request and recommend that your honorable body approve the following home real petition and transmit the general court for their consideration. This is an act granting the city of Medford the authority to require the adoption of institutional master plan subject to the review and approval of the municipality. This is, I think, the fourth refiling of this Home Rule petition, and essentially would allow the city to require that large-scale institutional facilities, for example, a Tufts University, that they have to provide a master plan to the city, and that the city can impose institutional master plan review to regulate the use of land or structures for land owned, leased, or otherwise occupied by hospitals, healthcare institutions, colleges, universities, and nonprofit educational corporations. I will go to what looks to be Councilor Collins.
[Collins]: Thank you, President Bears. This is something that has come up in a lot of recent discussions in the community lately, including but not limited to city council meetings. Such a measure if communities like Medford were allowed to institute mandatory institutional master plans would give us the greater latitude and authority that I think we all know that we need and deserve over the very large institutions that take up a lot of real estate and take a lot of land and footprint within our communities. I think a lot of people can recognize by gut instinct that a community should be able to have some level of mandatory at least conversation and co-planning with institutions that have such a large footprint in their communities. Currently we are very disenfranchised and being able to enforce that. This legislation around institutional master plans which is something we're not currently enabled to do this home repetition would be asking for the permission to set up that. mandate that regulation would allow us to equalize the playing field with community partners such as Tufts University, other very large institutions, so that we can do a better job of collaborating or do the collaboration that we've been wanting to do all along on these issues that affect both the institutions and the communities like ours that host them. So I motion to approve.
[Bears]: On the motion to approve by Vice President Collins and submit this to the legislature, seconded by Councilor Tseng. I saw your request, Councilor Callahan.
[Callahan]: Thank you. Yes, I wish there were much more that we could do. It is really, I believe, quite ridiculous that we cannot actually get this without a home rule petition, which is almost certainly going to be denied. We should be getting real estate taxes from these large institutions. A master plan is really small potatoes, and it is quite frustrating that we have to do a homeown petition, and it is unlikely to be approved, but I am certainly in favor of this homeown petition. I hope that it passes. Thank you.
[Bears]: Thank you, Councilor Callahan, and I also am in favor. I'm, you know, continually frustrated by the exemptions that especially large institutions get from the basic processes and procedures that this community asks of every other member of the community, down to the 3,000 square foot lot owner. Nevermind that Tufts has a budget of you know, many attend or more times the size of the city of Medford and endowment certainly bigger than any sort of reserve fund that the city of Medford has and the ability to leverage all of that to their advantage in addition to their legal protections. So very supportive of this. I will go to Councilor Lazzaro and then we do a public participation on this.
[Lazzaro]: And just one thing I would like to add is that many of us in this community have strong opinions about a lot of things but but something it seems like we can almost all of us can agree on is that we think that. it would be nice if Tufts University could come to the table and meet us as an equal partner. It really brings our community together when we talk about stuff like this. So it would be nice if the state house would also meet us there. We would really appreciate that. So thank you.
[Bears]: Thank you. I will go now to public participation. We have a hand on Zoom. name and address for the record, please. And once I'm here, you'll have three minutes. One second. Here you go. Matthew Page.
[Matthew Page-Lieberman]: Yes, Matthew Page, Lieberman and 15 Canal Street. I was watching this bill in the last session. And you know, it was mothballed to go off to a study committee. I reached out to Representative Barber last month about because she was the lead sponsor, and I reached out to the planning department about this. I watched the hearing, which was two years ago for this bill. Representative Barber spoke, Representative Mayor Lungo-Koehn spoke for our bill, and there was also Mayor Ballentine, because there's an analog bill that Somerville has. Mayor Ballentine really gave some compelling arguments Our mayor said that the bill had previously been introduced twice, and our mayor was hoping that the third time would be a charm. I think that when bills come from the administration or requests come to the administration or to the city council, I would hope that the administration would explain how they're going to try to do something differently elsewhere, you know, just re-asking for something, going through the motions and expecting for it to die. Else, you know, our mayor may be saying, you know, this time, perhaps the fourth time will be a charm and not expecting anything differently. We can assume that Tufts has lawyers, you know, that are lobbying you know, legislators not to do anything. And it would be nice if perhaps the planning department would appear in the hearing and explain this. It would be nice if the administration were to be able to communicate to residents why this is important and also get residents involved to give testimony. Thank you.
[Bears]: Thank you. Any further discussion? No, I owe the clerk one piece of candy. That man always has them and he's not here to defend it. So, all right. On the motion of vice-president Collins, seconded by councilor Sang. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan. Vice-president Collins. Councilor Lazzaro. Councilor Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli. Councilor Tseng, President Bears.
[Bears]: Yes, I have the affirmative, none the negative, motion passes. That brings us to public participation. Is there anyone in the chambers or on Zoom who would like to speak on any matter to their heart's content for three minutes? Seeing none, is there any further motion by members of the council? On the motion to adjourn by Councilor Tseng seconded by Councilor Callahan, Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Callahan, Vice President Collins, Councilor Lazzaro, Councilor Leming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[Hurtubise]: Councilor Scarpelli. Councilor Tseng.
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